
Think about having the facility to create a model technique that rivals these of trade giants, no matter what you are promoting measurement or funds.
Immediately, we’re diving into the world of AI-powered branding, the place cutting-edge expertise is leveling the enjoying area and enabling companies of all sizes to craft compelling, professional-level model messaging. Whether or not you’re a solo entrepreneur, a small enterprise proprietor, or a part of a advertising crew, this episode will reveal how one can harness AI to raise your model, join extra deeply along with your viewers, and compete successfully in right now’s crowded market.
Becoming a member of us to unpack this game-changing method is Ruheene Jaura, a real innovator on the intersection of creativity and expertise. With 16 years of expertise in visible results for giants like Cirque du Soleil and Marvel, Ruheene has seamlessly transitioned into AI-powered advertising. Because the founding father of heyLevi.ai, she’s revolutionizing model technique improvement. Licensed in digital advertising and rising applied sciences, Ruheene brings a novel mix of inventive imaginative and prescient and technical experience to assist companies remodel their branding by AI.
AI in Advertising: Unpacked host Mike Allton requested Ruheene Jaura about:
✨ AI Democratizes Branding: AI instruments are leveling the enjoying area, permitting companies of all sizes to entry professional-level branding methods.
✨ Effectivity Meets Creativity: AI streamlines the branding course of, releasing up time for human creativity to give attention to strategic decision-making.
✨ Adaptability is Key: As AI continues to evolve, companies should keep adaptable and leverage these instruments to stay aggressive of their branding efforts.
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Redefining Model Technique: AI Instruments for Companies of All Sizes with Ruheene Jaura
[00:00:00] Ruheene Jaura: I truly suppose that AI is right here to not exchange human creativity. I actually suppose it’s right here to assist us be higher and be extra inventive as a result of whenever you’re developing with something inventive, proper, whether or not you’re writing content material for what you are promoting otherwise you’re making an attempt to jot down a enterprise proposal, no matter it’s that you just’re doing, there’s a, there’s a, it’s a mixture, proper?
It’s a mixture of analysis and understanding finest practices, understanding what you are promoting’s positioning, what makes you particular, and there’s the inventive a part of it. Which is the way you write all of that, the way you convey and talk all of that. However whenever you deal with it in a manner the place it does 60 to 80 p.c of the give you the results you want, and then you definitely are available in along with your creativity, your particular sauce, if you’ll, and add that to no matter AI is providing you with, that’s actually the half that, that makes the magic.
[00:00:46] Mike Allton: Welcome to AI in Advertising: Unpacked, the place we simplify AI for impactful advertising. I’m your host, Mike Allton right here to information you thru the world of synthetic intelligence and its transformative impression on advertising methods. Every episode, we’ll break down AI ideas into manageable insights and discover sensible functions that may supercharge your advertising efforts.
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Greetings program. Welcome again to AI in Advertising: Unpacked the place I selfishly use the time to choose the brains of consultants, maintaining with and integrating or layering synthetic intelligence into social media, content material, promoting, search, and different areas, further advertising, and also you get to be taught to subscribe to be proven tips on how to put together your self and your model for this AI revolution and are available on forward now, think about.
Having the facility to create a model technique that rivals these of trade giants, no matter what you are promoting measurement or funds right now, we’re diving into the world of AI powered branding. We’re innovative expertise is leveling the enjoying area and enabling companies of all sizes to craft compelling, modern, and modern.
Skilled degree model messaging, whether or not you’re a photo voltaic entrepreneur, small enterprise proprietor, or a part of a advertising crew, this episode will reveal how one can harness AI to raise your model, join extra deeply along with your viewers and compete successfully in right now’s crowded market.
Becoming a member of us to unpack this sport altering method is Ruheene Jaura a real innovator on the intersection of creativity and expertise. With 16 years of expertise in visible results for giants like Cirque Soleil and Marvel, Ruheene has seamlessly transitioned into AI powered advertising. Because the founding father of heyLevi.ai, she’s revolutionizing model technique improvement. Licensed in digital advertising and rising applied sciences. Ruheene brings a novel mix of inventive imaginative and prescient and technical experience to assist companies remodel their branding by AI.
Hey, Ruheene, welcome to the present.
[00:02:48] Ruheene Jaura: Hey, Mike. Thanks a lot for having me. I’m actually excited to be right here.
[00:02:51] Mike Allton: So glad to have you ever. Let’s begin when you might by simply form of strolling us by your journey from visible results, which is tremendous cool, by the way in which, to AI powered advertising.
How did that distinctive background affect your method to branding?
[00:03:05] Ruheene Jaura: You already know, it’s all about storytelling. I feel everyone knows that whether or not we’re entrepreneurs or not, all of us have a private story. And after we change into enterprise house owners and begin advertising what our provides. It’s actually all about now our buyer’s story and the way our services and products slot in with their story So it’s actually on the finish of the day all about storytelling And when you’re not telling a narrative along with your services and products Then you definately’re lacking out on an enormous market as a result of that’s actually what individuals need to see is a narrative and so they need to see themselves in that story.
So truly even earlier than visible results and Marvel I used to be, I used to be doing structure. So I went to undergrad for structure and it actually, the entire storytelling factor, consider it or not, began with structure as a result of I spotted that whenever you’re designing issues areas, bodily areas for individuals. It’s all in regards to the tales which can be going to be lived and skilled in these areas. And so my mind simply mechanically began considering by way of tales proper from my structure days. After which after I went into visible results and I began working with with, you understand, firms like Marvel Avengers and all the larger larger productions.
I actually began to see that come to life. I imply, regardless that, you understand, we went from bodily areas to now Marvel motion pictures, that are two completely various things. The one fixed that that stayed the identical is the truth that individuals can see themselves in that story. So when someone likes an architectural house or a house, for instance, whenever you’re trying to purchase a house, it’s actually whenever you’re strolling by the house, you consider the way you’re going to create tales in every house in every a part of the house.
And that’s what involves life in your mind. And also you resolve whether or not you need to dwell there or not, whether or not you need to purchase the house or not. And once more, whenever you’re watching a film, you you ask your self whether or not it’s a superhero film or a documentary. It’s actually about, do you see one thing about your self in that story that makes you need to watch it by the tip or not?
So I don’t know if that answered the query or, or if you wish to, yeah.
[00:05:09] Mike Allton: Nicely, yeah. So, so, so take it additional than that. So the following step is you began to delve into AI. Yeah. I used delve in individual on goal, however inform me how you bought into AI.
[00:05:20] Ruheene Jaura: So after engaged on visible results I actually began to get in that’s after I began entering into advertising as a result of whereas I used to be doing visible results and in between tasks I began engaged on You already know, advertising spots for firms like Apple, Motorola, Radio Shack again within the day Amazon. So I used to be on a whole lot of their product launches as a part of the advertising crew.
And that’s how I acquired into advertising. And once more, the storytelling half is simply stayed by these, these years. However AI, you understand, when, I’ve at all times used AI instruments. I’m at all times on the lookout for instruments, whether or not they’re AI or not, to assist make my work simpler, assist me be extra environment friendly. And so when OpenAI got here up with their API and made AI so accessible to everybody, I made a decision at that time to take the entire frameworks and the learnings that I had by my 16 years of labor expertise in movie and in advertising and actually mix these into a simple to make use of instrument utilizing AI that might assist put that 16 years of expertise into enterprise house owners and entrepreneurs fingers that possibly don’t have that form of expertise and are on the lookout for a bit of little bit of assist.
[00:06:30] Mike Allton: Love that. I imply, because the Chief Storyteller at Agorapulse, most of you listening, know that’s, that’s the place I name dwelling for my full time job. I actually simply spent the afternoon right now earlier than becoming a member of you, Ruheene, on this recording, crafting our Agorapulse model story and our storytelling pointers, as a result of there’s so many individuals within the group which can be a part of the storytelling strategy of our model.
It’s not simply entrepreneurs, it’s gross sales crew members, it’s not simply. buyer help crew members, it’s engineers as a result of to your level, proper? They’re crafting a product that our buyer tales are going to be advised inside that product. And so I used to be spending a whole lot of time considering by what ought to our story pointers be a storytelling pointers and what makes for a superb story.
And all through that total course of, hand in hand, AI to assist me flip that right into a narrative and method that the remainder of our crew might use. However I need to focus for a second on a few of the small companies that you just’ve been working with from that advertising perspective, from that model perspective, what do you see a few of the largest challenges are that they’re going through, significantly with regards to constructing and creating their very own model technique?
[00:07:40] Ruheene Jaura: I feel the largest downside is that almost all entrepreneurs newer entrepreneurs and small enterprise house owners who’re making an attempt to market themselves due to a low funds they’re actually, they’re struggling to grasp tips on how to develop their enterprise from only a enterprise right into a model. And so a whole lot of of us will suppose once they consider branding, they consider colours and fonts and, you understand, all of the issues that make their, their pages, their internet pages and their social media posts fairly.
However I feel there are only a few individuals who truly perceive {that a} model is a lot greater than that. Sure, the colours and the fonts feed into it, nevertheless it’s actually the, Why they feed into it, proper? So the explanation these colours and fonts are vital are due to the emotion and the expertise that you just’re invoking in your viewers.
And so what’s it that they’re feeling once they come throughout your model? And so whether or not you, you understand, whether or not it’s intentional or not, whether or not you’ve constructed a model deliberately or not, you will have a model, proper? And when it’s not intentional and all you’re specializing in are the beautiful stuff, the colours and the fonts you is likely to be lacking the general expertise that your viewers is having along with your model. So it’s actually about once more again to storytelling, proper? So what’s their story and the way do you slot in with that story? so I at all times say that it’s the model narrative is de facto your buyer’s narrative And the way you slot in because the skilled in that story and that’s the way you place your self.
So I at all times speak about how branding goes hand in hand with positioning. It’s the way you’re positioning your self out there and the way you’re becoming in along with your clients narrative.
[00:09:14] Mike Allton: I’m so glad you introduced up the Why, as a result of that’s so important. That’s why I used to be speaking a couple of second in the past, how I spent your complete afternoon creating the Agorapulse model story, as a result of that’s our Why.
Why will we do what we do and why will we do how we do it? In different phrases, you understand, we’re doing issues a sure manner. Why are we doing it that manner? Proper. We’re serving to our clients with social media. Yeah. Let’s imagine why we’re doing that, however the way in which that we assist clients with their social media administration is completely different from different individuals.
And there’s a purpose for that. There’s a why behind that. And we wished to ensure that that was articulated in a manner that everyone within the group would know, after which have the ability to infuse into every part that they’re doing. So whenever you’re speaking to clients, small companies, medium sized companies, whomever, and so they’re making an attempt to determine.
You already know, their model technique, their model story. How do you see AI expertise coming in to assist them with these sorts of challenges and form of nearly democratizing that entry to skilled degree branding?
[00:10:17] Ruheene Jaura: Yeah. So this once more goes again to my days engaged on the product launches that I discussed earlier specifically Apple and Amazon.
And I like telling the story However, you understand, there’s a lot to be realized from the way in which Apple positions itself and its merchandise and the way in which Amazon does it. And we each know they’re each wonderful firms. They’ve each finished so effectively for themselves, however everyone knows that Apple has constructed this like loopy fan following, proper?
And it’s all as a result of they’re all about model led advertising. We’ve all heard of product led advertising, however I don’t suppose sufficient of us are speaking about model led advertising. So the way in which Apple has been capable of create this model. Now, Amazon has a model and so they have a really robust model for certain. However when you have a look at Amazon’s launches, every of their product launches have been very product led and there’s a whole lot of energy in that, however actually, it comes right down to model loyalty. Proper? And the explanation I say that’s as a result of somebody like Apple, everyone knows that they’ve launched merchandise over time. A few of them have been wonderful. And a few of them have been Proper.
Like I’m an Apple fan, so don’t, don’t come at me for saying that, however I exploit a whole lot of Apple merchandise. However let’s be trustworthy. Like when you examine what Apple has launched over time, particularly after Steve Jobs was gone what they’ve launched over time has been. Fairly crappy in comparison with a few of the Android stuff that’s been popping out in parallel, proper?
The Android merchandise and the Samsung merchandise that come out, when you’re actually speaking about expertise and futuristic, you understand options, the Samsung merchandise even have higher options and extra consumer pleasant options than Apple has, has had over the previous few years, however the purpose why individuals who use Apple, together with me, won’t transfer away to a different product which may be higher or superior is as a result of we’ve got model loyalty.
And in order that comes with a whole lot of forgiveness when there are product launches that possibly aren’t so nice. Alternatively, when Amazon launches merchandise, it’s on a product foundation, proper? In the event that they launch a product that sucks, no one’s going to purchase it. Not like Apple, once they launch a product that sucks, their fanboys are nonetheless going to purchase it.
Fanboys and fangirls. And all of it comes down to actually understanding the way you’re advertising your self. Should you’re advertising simply your services and products, once more, you’re on the danger of, sure, if in case you have a powerful services or products, that’s going to be nice. It’s going to work out nice so long as you’re doing the proper factor product led advertising method, however on the core of it, you actually need to take into consideration tips on how to construct a powerful model, as a result of when you launch a number of provides or services or products over time simply know that when you’ve constructed a powerful model on the core of it you will have a whole lot of forgiveness and people launches once they don’t go so effectively.
So all that being stated, now we’re speaking about Apple and Amazon and never all of us have the sorts of budgets that they’ve, proper. To construct that robust model. And so. That’s the place AI is available in, as a result of whenever you feed the proper context and frameworks into AI, now AI is aware of tips on how to model, tips on how to form of mimic a few of these extra standard manufacturers, like Apple, Nike, Lululemon, when you’ve heard of that.
So these sorts of manufacturers, even once they don’t have the perfect product, Nike has at all times had a superb product, I feel. However like Lululemon, when you’re, when you’re acquainted with that, that’s like a clothes model, proper? Their high quality sucks. However Right here I’m sitting in all lululemon as a result of that’s what I once more, it’s a model factor.
And, and I pay high greenback for it, however once more, it’s the entire model. And I’m certain we’ve got viewers proper now. And my husband is one among them. Who’s at all times like, why do you pay a lot cash for a model? That’s silly. Purchase a greater high quality product. That’s truly going to final you longer. And, and yeah so as to add context to that. He’s an Android consumer. However you see the place what I’m saying as a enterprise, no matter whether or not you agree with that method or not, you’re setting your self up for achievement in the long term. Should you’re coming from a model led method. Now to your query of, you understand, how does A. I assist form of democratize that method?
Beforehand You needed to have a giant advertising crew otherwise you needed to spend fairly a bit of cash simply to provide you with a powerful model. Now what I imply by a powerful model is once more, not simply the colours and the fonts. These are undoubtedly a part of it, however actually your model narrative, the way you’re positioning your model out there the way you’re connecting along with your preferrred clients. All of that feeds into your model.
And so whenever you consider it extra holistically like that, and also you ask for AI’s assist in serving to you create that model, after which from there, each piece of content material that you just create. So we had been speaking about social media, however actually it’s whether or not it’s social media or a video script for YouTube or a weblog publish or a gross sales web page, when every part feeds off of that core model, like Apple does, you begin to see that It form of varieties this expertise to your customers that they’ll preserve wanting to come back again to as a result of they know what to anticipate, even when a services or products isn’t the perfect one on the market isn’t the perfect available on the market, they nonetheless need to keep along with your model ecosphere due to that model loyalty.
[00:15:11] Mike Allton: Okay. To begin with, you’ve simply given us a masterclass on, on advertising technique. People return and re hearken to this previous section a pair extra occasions and actually take into consideration what Ruheene simply stated, as a result of every part you stated is totally right. And I’ll ask you listeners, indulge me for a second, take into consideration Apple and provide you with some adjectives that describe Apple as a model in your thoughts, and do this for 30 seconds, after which attempt to try this for Amazon.
And I feel you’ll wrestle. I feel you’ll wrestle fairly a bit to provide you with any actually fascinating adjectives, you understand, aside from possibly two day supply. We don’t even know if that’s an adjective, proper? There’s issues that you possibly can affiliate with that model, however not adjectives in regards to the model. And that’s the distinction between model led.
And, and to your level, like I’ve already referenced a few occasions, I spent hours this afternoon engaged on the Agorapulse model story and storytelling pointers. And this was truly simply the end result of most likely a 3 month undertaking. I took on the position in, in the summertime of this 12 months. And that’s been one of many issues I wanted to do as a result of we didn’t have an recognized or documented model story.
We had, to your level, model voice pointers. Shade brand, some bit about how we talk, proper? However nothing actually in depth documented. And so I needed to undergo a whole strategy of defining, you understand, what’s a model story? What frameworks are we going to make use of? Trigger there’s a whole lot of choices, you understand, to provide you with, you understand, there’s, there’s story model, there’s Tamsin Webster’s crimson thread, which is finally what we ended up utilizing.
And there’s fairly a number of others. That was one thing that actually I used to be paid full time. As an train to suppose by that primarily based on my decade plus of selling expertise. And to your level, now AI comes alongside and simplifies this and it could not essentially be, you understand, McKinsey and firm degree consulting high quality, nevertheless it’s nice.
It’s actually, actually good. No matter AI goes to provide you with and the extra you’re capable of put into it, the extra you’re going to have the ability to get out. And I’d wish to form of go on a bit of tangent right here for a second, as a result of I do know a whole lot of what we’re speaking about is what your instrument does for people. And I’d love so that you can share a bit of bit extra about what heyLevi does and the way that works for manufacturers.
[00:17:29] Ruheene Jaura: Yeah. SheyLevivi truly does a whole lot of what we had been speaking about. And simply earlier than I neglect, Mike, one factor that you just simply touched upon is the model voice, proper? And even that’s extra than simply fonts and colours. It’s actually in regards to the tone of voice, like your writing fashion, your fashion, the power you will have in your writing and in your content material that additionally must say cohesive. That’s additionally part of your model. And so a whole lot of that’s what heyLevi does, proper? It acknowledges and it tries to grasp your distinctive model voice and your model narrative, your buyer avatars each on a model degree after which on a product and repair degree, proper?
That are extra dialed in. And Yeah. Understands that not simply by way of like whenever you when you consider buyer avatars, proper? Like inform me, truly, Mike, I’m going to place this query on you. What do you consider whenever you consider buyer avatars? Like what do you anticipate to see on a buyer avatar card?
[00:18:18] Mike Allton: I’m on the lookout for titles. I’m on the lookout for demographics for my graphics. I’m on the lookout for an understanding of who inside a selected group and what that group appears to be like like. The model, whether or not it’s my very own or someone I’m working with. They’re making an attempt to focus on, proper? So what verticals, you understand, how large an organization, what sort of firm and who inside that firm, after which past that, that firmographic data, corresponding to, you understand, what do they need, what are they on the lookout for, what are they making an attempt to perform, the place are they struggling, you understand, what challenges are they going through that the model might or might not have enter in an answer for
[00:18:53] Ruheene Jaura: Nice.
So to summarize that, would you say that you just’re actually enthusiastic about demographics and ache factors, however what about resolution making drivers? What about their internal beliefs, their internal philosophical beliefs and their internal, like, tales that they’re telling themselves, their internal dialogue that they’re speaking about inside their heads.
How are we tapping into that?
[00:19:18] Mike Allton: Yeah, and that’s the form of factor that I’d say is often lacking from, you understand, if a enterprise has a persona or an ICP in any respect. They most likely don’t have that.
[00:19:28] Ruheene Jaura: Precisely. Yeah. And in order that’s the hole that we work on, on filling. So we show you how to go like actually, actually deep into your buyer avatars, proper?
So not simply demographics and ache factors. These are nice. And people are essential. Don’t get me flawed. Completely essential. However except you’re additionally understanding who they’re on a deeper degree, what their philosophical beliefs are, what their social desires and desires are how they suppose emotionally, we’re all emotional beings.
And I feel we’ve all heard this, proper? We’re all emotional beings. And you understand, whenever you promote, you need to promote to the emotional a part of a human being, however that’s the place your complete demographics and ache factors fall brief since you’re not truly addressing their emotional wants. So whenever you begin to consider your buyer avatars as like holistic human beings which have flaws similar to we do, which have emotional wants that often trump our logical and desires and desires, what we predict we wish is often not what we wish.
After we go right into a retailer to purchase one thing, why is it that 9 occasions out of 10, we often purchase one thing else? We don’t purchase what we walked in there for, proper? Whether or not we truly purchase the factor that we walked in for, However a distinct fashion that we had in thoughts or a completely completely different factor. Or that factor plus 5 different issues.
Like there’s a purpose why we do this, proper? We inform ourselves we’re solely going to spend this a lot. This isn’t my funds right now. After which we go and persuade ourselves that no, that is actually going to vary my life for me. And so I’m additionally going to buy this. So all of that comes right down to if you’re, you understand, when you’ve ever discovered your self making an attempt to supply a reduction as a way to shut a sale.
And I’m not speaking about seasonal reductions, proper? These are nice. However I’m speaking about when you’ve ever been on a gross sales name and someone has been like, Oh, however I can do, I can get the identical factor some other place for like 100 {dollars}. a cheaper price and you are feeling such as you really feel the necessity to value match as a way to shut that sale.
That simply implies that you haven’t actually understood their desires and desires on that emotional foundation, proper? As a result of all of us are prepared to pay more cash, regardless that we don’t wish to admit it. All of us are prepared to pay more cash for one thing that we emotionally consider will give us extra satisfaction than we’ll spend on one thing that we all know is a necessity.
And that’s going to resolve a ache level for us, if that is sensible.
[00:21:42] Mike Allton: It makes full sense as a result of it’s 100% true. I don’t know if these of you listening know sufficient about my historical past. I used to promote swimming swimming pools and sizzling tubs, and this was a very long time in the past. That is about 10 years in the past, however I used to promote swimming swimming pools in Northern Ohio.
And the factor is, individuals wouldn’t are available in to, our warehouse to purchase a pool, they weren’t actually within the width of the pool wall or how excessive it was or what number of horsepower went into the filtration system. They had been shopping for a yard expertise, and if it was a household, proper, they had been additionally shopping for issues like security for his or her Kids, you understand.
You already know, with the ability to have experiences at dwelling, moderately than having to waste time, taking them to other forms of swimming pools, proper? There have been all these values that went into the play. And the second I understood that and was capable of mirror that and talk that in my verbal, you understand, gross sales that was the second I turned the primary salesperson in your complete group, proper?
As a result of then I’m speaking to those clients about what they actually need to accomplish and never losing time speaking about minutiae, like, you understand, That don’t actually matter, proper? It’s, it’s, it’s options versus advantages in a whole lot of methods. In order that’s wonderful. And let me ensure that myself and everyone listening understands appropriately.
So with heyLevi, there’s, I’m assuming some form of a course of the place I feed it details about my enterprise and that it helps me to develop this actually thorough goal persona. Is that proper?
[00:23:15] Ruheene Jaura: Sure. And so that you begin, the entire app is once more, centered round your distinctive model. So that you inform it 4 items of knowledge that are, what do you do to your viewers?
What do you stand towards? So actually like what, you understand, you at all times need to juxtapose, haven’t used that phrase in like years. I really feel like, uh, you need to actually examine what you do versus what you stand towards. What are you actually good at versus what your opponents are doing, proper? And so it’s actually understanding that.
What do you do? What do you stand towards? What do you do this no one else is doing? And what’s that core factor that folks that, that you just do this they’re not going to get wherever else. So as soon as you may reply these questions clearly, I imply, that’s the half that we’re counting on you to really learn about what you are promoting and most of us do.
Proper. It’s, it’s placing these into phrases and really pulling that into all of our content material that we come across. However so long as you may give the AI these items of knowledge, it is going to create a whole model narrative for you. So it is going to establish who your model buyer avatar is. Once more, this isn’t as dialed in as your product degree, as a result of we’re not at a gross sales degree but, proper?
So your merchandise and provides, consider these as issues that you just’re going to promote. So your model is just not one thing you’re promoting. That’s the expertise that we’re constructing, proper? That’s the core of who we’re. So at that degree, your buyer avatar is that this broader buyer avatar. We’re nonetheless speaking about there, we’re not speaking about resolution making drivers as a result of we’re not making an attempt to get them to buy something simply but. However we are attempting to grasp them by way of social, emotional, and philosophical beings, even on the model degree. So what it does for you is it helps you establish that it helps you establish what their story is Together with ache factors, however actually what their general story is and the way you as a model would place your self in that story. The place do you are available in because the skilled?
And the way you’re going to make them success or that final aim that they’re on the lookout for. Now everyone knows a superb story at all times comes with the concern of what might occur if issues don’t go as deliberate. So that every one, that’s additionally one thing you at all times need to embody in your model narrative. You already know, if, when you work with us, for instance, that is the journey that may lead you thru, however when you don’t take motion right now, that is what may very well be in danger.
So it helps you dial in all of that and your, your colours and your fonts and all of that as effectively. So it helps you construct all of that. That then will get saved as your model messaging playbook in your heyLevi account. So that you at all times have that to reference everytime you’re creating any, any piece of content material from there.
Relating to gross sales, now you’d create a extra detailed product degree. Which once more applies as to whether you’re promoting a services or products. It’s actually your provide. We’re simply utilizing product a bit of loosely. Nevertheless it’s actually any provide that you just provide. It’s about what makes you completely different, the way you examine along with your opponents, how your clients are perceiving that worth distinction between what you provide them versus your opponents.
And when you’re listening intently to this, you is likely to be Begin to see how this may additionally assist your gross sales calls or gross sales conversations. As a result of whenever you’re making an attempt to have that gross sales dialog, whenever you’re on a gross sales name and someone says, effectively, so and so is giving me the identical factor for like half the worth.
One factor to notice is that they’re there with you for a purpose. So simply because they’re saying that’s not a clue so that you can decrease your value or value match. However so long as you’re clear about what that in comparison with provides and the way you’re That’s the time whenever you need to current that data. And whenever you do this, you’re serving to that buyer see themselves in your story and vice versa, proper?
That you just’re additionally serving to them see how you’d match into their story. After which value doesn’t matter.
[00:26:54] Mike Allton: I like it. And you understand, I like that you just’re working in, you understand, NLP triggers like, effectively, what occurs when you don’t? That’s implausible of us. We’re speaking with Ruheene about constructing terrific model technique and documentation and placing that into place utilizing AI.
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So simply to attract a distinction between what you guys simply heard. Magai, the instrument that I’m utilizing on a regular basis and heyLevi, with Magai, you’re, you’re a wrapper for the opposite giant language fashions. It’s a clean canvas on which you’ll be able to discuss backwards and forwards with them.
And that kind of factor, as a way to create a advertising technique or a model technique or model story, you’d need to know what you’re doing. You continue to have to have the ability to ask the proper questions and consider the responses and work with it backwards and forwards. So I used Magai and Claude to develop, you understand, a whole lot of Agorapulse’s documentation for his or her storytelling pointers and so forth.
However I knew what I used to be doing. I used to be conscious of Tamsen Webster’s crimson thread framework sufficient to Discuss to the AI about that and say, Hey, look, I’d like to check story model with the crimson thread and see what are the variations between these two frameworks. I do know I need to use a hero’s journey method with most of our storytelling, however I need to have a look at another choices, proper?
All that data was already baked into my head with hey Levi, you don’t must know all of that data to your level the place you’re simply going to reply these 4 questions. And that will require a whole lot of thought. You would possibly must go to another crew members and give it some thought, which is, which is nice.
It is best to put time and thought into these sorts of approaches and ensuring you’ve acquired the proper data up entrance about who you might be, who you’re focusing on, that kind of factor. However on the finish, you get this implausible playbook or collection of playbooks that you just’re capable of make use of. In order that’s one of many variations between an AI assisted method and form of a extra conventional method.
What are a few of the variations that you just consider with regards to branding and it comes to love time, value and effectiveness with its AI versus conventional?
[00:30:12] Ruheene Jaura: I actually like what you simply stated about you understand, having to know what frameworks you need to use to your use case versus not understanding. And I feel this ties into each, you understand, smaller enterprise house owners who don’t actually know a lot about advertising or newer entrepreneurs, but additionally the extra skilled entrepreneurs as a result of as entrepreneurs, and I’ve been doing this once more for over 16 years at this level, however I’m You already know, I we’ve got over 60 frameworks.
I feel 70 frameworks at this level constructed into the app. Over 150 prompts constructed into the app, however that’s to not say that that’s an exhaustive listing, proper? These frameworks are evolving always. They’re rising. They’re morphing into completely different frameworks. It’s actually maintaining with what’s working right now as a result of what labored two years in the past, 5 years in the past is probably not working right now, or it is likely to be.
And it’s actually being conscious of what’s working versus not working. And in order that’s a few of the heavy lifting that hey Levi takes off of you is it, you understand, you’re not on the road to always be maintaining with you understand, the newest advertising technique or the newest immediate approach and all of that stuff.
And, you understand, I’m on this, I’m in a number of AI teams on Fb and one thing that I noticed when 4. 0 got here out after which once more, 2 months after it got here out, which was just some weeks in the past, truly They’re always evolving their fashions, proper? And to get a bit of technical on you right here. They’re always making an attempt to save lots of individuals cash, proper?
And they also will persistently not simply optimize their fashions, however they’ll attempt to pointed to cheaper variations of their fashions, which Is nice as a result of it’s saving you cash. However the half that sucks is that when you will have a immediate that’s working very well with one model, it could not translate. And often 9 occasions out of 10, truly it received’t translate.
After which, so individuals will come on and be like, Hey, I’ve these prompts that had been working nice in Chat GPT. Has anybody else observed that they’re not working anymore? And so actually what you want is, you understand, you want this digital crew, except you will have a funds to rent an precise human crew to maintain up with not simply advertising frameworks, however immediate strategies and all of this, proper.
Whenever you’re utilizing AI and, and even if in case you have the funds to rent this large crew, they’re additionally utilizing instruments to maintain themselves simpler and extra environment friendly. So. When it comes to the playbooks that we had been speaking about, you understand, when you construct out your model playbook, after you have your whole product and provide playbooks let’s be trustworthy, I don’t learn about you, however when you’ve ever created a playbook I don’t understand how usually you truly use it or have a look at it.
All of us, all of us like create playbooks with the perfect intentions, proper? They’re, they’ve a lot good data, however truly going by it and getting your total crew on board with, you understand, always that and being conscious of what it has and any updates that you just make to it. That’s the place the problem is available in.
It’s very easy to make a superb playbook. Nevertheless it’s actually arduous to a, preserve these playbooks up to date after which be, have your total crew and even your self. fully acquainted with that playbook the place it’s like that, proper? It comes out in all each piece of content material that you just create. And in order that’s additionally the half that heyLevi does for you.
It shops your whole playbooks. It’s simply accessible. You don’t need to undergo an previous Chat GPT dialog to see the place you gave a context about your buyer avatar to attempt to change it. You’ll be able to merely simply edit it similar to you’d in a Phrase doc, for instance. And it already has that context transferring ahead.
And each time you want to create any content material, you simply pull these playbooks in and it mechanically has the entire context with out you having to remind it or tweak it on the spot.
[00:33:31] Mike Allton: That’s a extremely nice instance with The Social Media Hat and this podcast as a, as a solopreneur, proper? That is my facet hustle.
I I’m leaning on these paperwork to assist me. And I’m leaning on these processes to assist me execute sooner and keep on model and message and so forth. However that’s additionally one among my fears, you understand, with Agorapulse and different giant firms that I would work with, the place we do create all this nice data, whether or not it’s with AI or not, and we fear that it’s going to change into shelfware.
Proper. A doc that’s simply placed on a shelf someplace and possibly they’ll have a look at it once more in 12 months. Like, Oh, wow. Yeah, we did all that again in 2023. Perhaps we should always do one thing once more with that. And so I like that that’s inbuilt now. And that’s a part of the method as a result of I used to be going to comment earlier as implausible as it’s to have these personas and people playbooks developed.
That’s just the start, proper? The subsequent step is you assist your reader. Yeah. Customers use that data in each step of the manner by way of constructing a advertising technique within the varied items of content material and duplicate that they’re going to need to create. However you talked about humanity a second in the past, and I wished to ask you about that, proper?
How will we ensure that humanity continues to be part of these processes and the way do you see that evolving as you understand, AI turns into increasingly prevalent as a part of branding and advertising?
[00:34:50] Ruheene Jaura: Yeah. I truly suppose that AI is right here to not exchange human creativity. I actually suppose it’s right here to assist us be higher and be extra inventive.
As a result of whenever you’re developing with something inventive, proper, whether or not you’re writing content material for what you are promoting, otherwise you’re making an attempt to jot down a enterprise proposal, no matter it’s that you just’re doing, there’s a there’s a it’s a mixture, proper? It’s a mixture of analysis, And understanding finest practices, understanding what you are promoting’s positioning, what makes you particular.
And there’s the inventive a part of it which is the way you write all of that, the way you convey and talk all of that. And so whenever you use AI as a instrument to assist with extra of the logical elements, proper, which it’s nice at it can not mimic human emotion and human creativity simply but. However whenever you prepare it in a manner the place it does 60 to 80 p.c of the give you the results you want and then you definitely are available in along with your creativity, your particular sauce, if you’ll and add that to no matter AI is providing you with, that’s actually the half that, that makes the magic.
I’m not going to sit down right here and lie that, you understand, it’s the AI that’s creating the magic for you. It’s simply, Let me put it this manner. I can both be like a job supervisor and I can get a whole lot of stuff finished. If I’ve a guidelines, I can spend sooner or later and simply undergo my total job listing. However I can’t be inventive on the similar time as a result of they’re utilizing two separate components of my mind.
And so the place you are available in is the inventive a part of your mind must be relieved of all of the non inventive duties in an effort to be extra inventive. To be able to you may carry that particular sauce out in each piece of content material or writing that you just do
[00:36:25] Mike Allton: love that. That’s that’s a mirrored image of, you understand, one of many use circumstances I’ve talked about so much on this present, which is the present itself.
I’ve acquired many podcasts with Agorapulse. I’ve acquired this podcast on the facet. I used to spend two hours researching and making ready for each single interview. And now that I’ve acquired a customized GPT and an assistant within the A. I to assist me as a showrunner. It’s 20 minutes as an alternative of two hours to arrange for every particular person episode, which frees me to search out extra company, spend extra time speaking to them, spend extra time exploring the tales and the experience and so forth.
In order that’s implausible. I’d love when you might share successful story of one among your clients or companies that you just’ve labored with and share how they’ve considerably improved Their very own model presence utilizing AI instruments.
[00:37:12] Ruheene Jaura: Truly, I’d like to share the story of heyLevi itself. I imply, we we launched our first model of our app two years in the past.
Truly precisely two years in the past now it was October, 2022. And we had been referred to as iGen. We had a completely completely different title, completely completely different model, actually no model. That was one among our, like, we’re simply going to construct a product and never give attention to the model a lot. And so for a 12 months we tried to promote that.
And we, we had an amazing, like, I’d say. pilot program. We actually had been simply on the lookout for 10 individuals to make use of it, give us suggestions. We truly ended up promoting 34 of these like what we had been calling pilot licenses, which had been actually low-cost. We ended up promoting 34 of these and 31 out of these 34 customers truly turned paying clients into the fuller model of the product when, after we launched that.
In order that was nice, however we couldn’t get previous that. Individuals who would are available in and really use our product beloved it and they might keep on. Nevertheless it was actually making an attempt to get new individuals to attempt it. And so we struggled with that for for a superb a part of a 12 months. And it was solely in October 2023 now. So a 12 months in the past, we determined that we actually had been missing the, the model.
And so, You already know, that’s truly when heyLevi. heyLevi was only a content material technology instrument initially. However I actually began to consider all of the issues that I’ve realized over my 16 years of expertise, considering I’ve not used any of that on this product. We had been simply a ache level of content material creation on frameworks, and we simply form of inbuilt these frameworks and content material creation and made a promptless model of this of an app of an AI app.
However we weren’t actually doing it justice by actually it coming from a model technique from a core model technique. And in order that’s after we took a step again and I used to be like, okay, so me and my enterprise companions, we had been truly up until 3am this one night time making an attempt to provide you with concepts. We had been like, how about we do that?
How about we do this? And it was at 3am and I’m so embarrassed to even say this. Nevertheless it was at 3am after I realized like, We’ve constructed all of those frameworks already into the app. So let’s have iGen on the time. That’s what it was referred to as, proper? So we had been like, let’s simply have iGen rebrand itself, proper?
Rebrand and reposition itself. And in order that’s what we did. Like we, we acquired nowhere that night time. We had some nice concepts, however we discovered flaws in all of them. And so the following morning I opened up the app and I simply had it rebrand itself. Reposition itself, provide you with a positioning technique for itself. And we adopted that total technique to the T.
And inside that quarter, this was October, 2023. And by December, 2023, we had quadrupled our gross sales.
[00:39:42] Mike Allton: Wow. It’s humorous as a result of it’s nearly like a a web page out of the guide Menagerie the place it was October 15, 2023 at 4 a. m. When iGen turned self conscious and rebranded itself, say Levi,
however I like it. That’s a implausible story. And to return to our earlier level of how vital it’s to have people within the loop. My final query to you is among the ones that that Claude got here up with. And I at all times snigger when Claude desires me to ask this query as a result of a human wouldn’t ask it. Claude desires to know, trying forward, how do you envision AI additional remodeling the panorama of name technique and advertising within the subsequent 5 10 years?
And the human in me laughs at that as a result of no one is aware of what’s occurring in AI in 5 10 years. We’re fortunate if we will predict 5 10 years. To 10 minutes, proper? I imply, issues are altering so quick on this explicit trade, however the, the, the gist of the query is implausible. I’d love to finish with you sharing what you suppose is coming subsequent, whether or not it’s along with your undertaking or the trade general.
[00:40:49] Ruheene Jaura: I’ve been seeing this one factor about AI and I ponder if it’s nonetheless related. I really feel prefer it nonetheless is. And so I’m going to say it once more. However when AI was like nonetheless form of new a couple of 12 months, 12 months and a half in the past, there have been lots of people that had been very anti AI and there nonetheless are. And I get that. I get why.
However You already know, to me, I has at all times been just like the Web, proper? It’s model new. And when the Web got here out, by the way in which, I’ve a information clipping someplace, which I’ve saved, which I assumed was hilarious when the Web was a factor. I can’t keep in mind what 12 months this was now, someplace round 2000 or earlier than that.
I can’t keep in mind. Are you able to think about that we truly lived by a time when there was like no Web? Anyway, so when that, yeah, it was manner earlier than that. Anyway, each time that was, there’s a newspaper clipping that claims the Web is a fad.
And it’s not right here to remain. And it’s actually arduous to consider that as a result of it appears so foolish to have and say that out loud. However that is what individuals believed. And so when individuals began saying that AI is a fad to me, it simply jogged my memory of that. Like, it’s not a fad. It’s not good or dangerous. It simply is. And it’s how persons are going to dwell.
And nobody’s going to our subsequent technology. My children should not going to grasp how anyone lived with out it. Yeah, it’s gonna be like how we will’t think about that folks lived with out the Web in some unspecified time in the future. It’s simply there, proper? However simply how the Web didn’t exchange anybody. It helped a whole lot of us change into simpler.
It helped us join with one another. That’s actually what will do as effectively. proper? It’s simply taking it to a different degree. And so after I stated earlier that A. I. Is right here to interchange extra of the logical duties for you, nevertheless it’s not right here to interchange your inventive facet, proper? We nonetheless want you to have that creativity, that particular sauce, the life expertise that you’ve got.
We nonetheless want you to carry that to the desk as a result of that’s what’s gonna make what A. I. Is providing you with truly resonate along with your clients. They don’t need to see content material from you that they may have simply as simply additionally generated in Claude or Chat GPT. They need to see you, they need to see how one can relate to them as human beings.
And so after I consider the place AI goes, after all, such as you stated, there’s no approach to look into the longer term and AI is altering each single month at this level. However I feel it’s actually come going to come back right down to the way in which you’re utilizing it. Should you’re making an attempt, when you’re utilizing it and also you’re making an attempt to learn to immediate it since you’re nervous that you just’re going to get change into out of date when you don’t use it that will or is probably not true relying on what what you are promoting is, proper?
Should you’re making an attempt to change into a immediate engineer and provides these providers or provide these providers to different enterprise house owners, that’s nice. Completely. Discover ways to immediate it. However if in case you have a non immediate sort of enterprise or provide a service, what you need to take into consideration is how are you going to make that higher through the use of the proper AI instruments which can be going that will help you nonetheless get to that finish aim and nonetheless show you how to join along with your clients with out like changing you, if that is sensible.
So it’s actually about the way it’s going to make, relying on how you employ it, it’s going that will help you be extra inventive and really win on the sport of enterprise, if you’ll.
[00:43:50] Mike Allton: Oh, one hundred percent agree. I I’ve usually talked about how we’re within the fourth industrial revolution. Actually, I did a whole solo episode that I’ll hyperlink to beneath about how AI is the fourth industrial revolution, how that compares to the earlier three industrial revolutions.
And the one cautionary story that I need to share that’s a bit of little bit of a pushback is that, you understand, when. Within the 1800s, earlier than we had electrical energy, cities would use gasoline lamps on the streets to gentle individuals’s manner, and the cities would make use of gasoline lamp lighters to stroll round at nightfall every night and lightweight these lamps.
And when electrical energy changed gasoline lamps. These gasoline lamps, these jobs had been eradicated. These individuals needed to discover and reskill other forms of jobs. And that could be a potentiality for each industrial revolution. There’s definitely a potentiality for individuals’s jobs to get replaced, much less jobs to be wanted, even when it’s the identical position, because of A. I. So one thing to actually take into consideration to your level is, you understand, ensuring that you just’re how one can carry A. I. Into your roles each single day and upscale what you’re doing and pivot if you want to. However Ruheene, you’ve been completely wonderful. This has been such a enjoyable interview and such a deep dive into not simply A. I. However like I stated earlier than, simply actually, actually sensible method to marking technique for many who need to be taught extra. They need to join with you. The place can they go?
[00:45:17] Ruheene Jaura: You will discover me on Fb, Ruheene R U H E E N E. Or you may attain out on the heylevi. ai web site as effectively. We’ve a bit of chat widget that comes straight to me.
So yeah, both manner, heylevi. ai might be the simplest approach to go.
[00:45:32] Mike Allton: Terrific. Thanks a lot, Ruheene. Thanks all of you for listening. We’ll have all of the assets and hyperlinks that we talked about right now within the present notes beneath. And only one fast reminder, if that is form of your first foray into AI for advertising particularly, I’ve acquired a free useful resource linked beneath within the present notes referred to as the AI Advertising Primer that may show you how to perceive what are the completely different language fashions? How can AI be used? Loads of the lingo and the jargon that you just is likely to be listening to on this present and different sources show you how to get that leg up that you want to keep related in your position from right now going ahead. That’s all we’ve acquired for right now, buddies. Thanks a lot. And welcome to the grid.
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